Share Trading Classes: Are They Really Useful or a Big Sham!
On a relaxed Sunday morning nearly a fortnight ago, as I was going through my Facebook account, I stumbled upon an advertisement of Avadhut Sathe Trading Academy (fondly called as ASTA by it's students) which had testimonials of some students who had converted a paltry sum of Rs 50,000 into several lakhs in a matter of six to twelve months. As an individual who firmly believes that one cannot become rich overnight, these testimonials were enough to fire my curiosity and I decided to attend the Eye Opener Seminar to find out what all these stock market classes are all about.
However, before taking a final decision on attending the seminar, I searched Google for reviews on the Academy, but surprisingly I did not find a single negative review about the Academy. The seminar was held on March 3 at a plush hotel in Navi Mumbai. Mind you they are charging money from the seminar under the head of venue charges (I had to pay Rs 607 (venue charges + convenience fee).
The good thing was breakfast was included in the charges and it started sharp at 9 am. The bad part was I was under the impression that Mr Avadhut Sathe himself will be conducting the seminar/eye opener workshop which did not happen. The responsibility of interacting with the gathered public was left to his juniors (called as monitors and mentees).
At the registration desk, the attendees were handed over a pamphlet which mentioned the fees of four modules (two-day workshops) which was Rs 76,700 (discounted fees if one opts to do four modules and is ready to pay fees one time). Else the fees for each module is Rs 21,240 (including GST). Now, the fee structure itself was a big dampner for me as I had earned much more from the stock market without employing services of any advisory or even attending any class (If you search on internet or YouTube, one can learn technical analysis necessary to decide on Buy or Sell).
As the workshop started, the speakers spoke on two topics -- How you can retire early at the age of 40, how can you spend more time with your family, how you can spend vacations abroad and painted an extremely rosy picture of life and secondly, despite retiring early how you can still earn in lakhs (The figure of earning lakhs was something which they were emphasizing again and again) and naturally so because the speakers had well mastered the way the human mind works (they were exploiting the greed part of human mind) and things which influence it.
Frankly, speaking there was hardly I could learn in the seminar. There was nothing new that was taught except promoting the Academy. As the workshop proceeded, some former students of the Academy shared their experiences with the gathering, among them one of them Mr Prasad Parulekar informed the crowd how he turned Rs 15,000 into Rs 1.5 lakh and then lost the entire amount of Rs 1.5 lakh and then how Mr Sathe helped him with his strategy to convert a paltry some of Rs 8,000 into Rs 6 lakh.
Another student, a former Assistant Commissioner of Police (ACP) with Mumbai Police Mr Bhimdev Rathod, said, How he quickly earned an amount which was much more than his retirement benefits he got after putting in 36-years of service and how one fine evening he earned an amount of Rs 4 lakh just by trading Natural Gas when he was relaxing in his farm house. There were many more testimonials, but every person spoke about earning more than a lakh every week enough to influence the greedy mind in any individual.
During the tea break, when I spoke to one of the mentees about the Mentorship Programme, I was informed that it was a one year programme and the fees for which run into a few lakhs (the person however refused to divulge further details saying he is not authorised to speak in this behalf). However, from sources, I have gathered information that Mentorship Programme costs around Rs 4 to Rs 5 Lakh and is a one year programme (I personally feel it is an exorbitant amount). For me, who is now currently, a practicing as an advocate after making a shift from journalism, the natural question that came up to my mind was why these guys don't just put up their profit-and-loss statement (PnL).
Anyways, you are revealing the amount that you have earned, so what is the problem in putting up the statement. Secondly, if you are uncomfortable with putting up the statement, just post the bar graph or pie chart which gives a glimpse of your trades/investments and provides a picture whether you are in profit or losses. Mere testimonials are not going to matter unless they are accompanied by documentary evidence. In legal parlance, we always say a statement does not become evidence unless it is cross examined.
So my first request to members of the Avadhut Sathe Trading Academy who are giving testimonials is first put up your PnL statements and then you have every right to boast of your achievements. Dear readers, after I attended the workshop of ASTA, Facebook is throwing up many ads related to stock market trading classes (Frankly, speaking I was not even aware that stock market training has become a million dollar business in literal sense). The purpose behind raising the issue through this blog was to share my experience and help you in making an informed decision. You need to do certain checks before enrolling for the course.
Firstly, check the PnL statement of the person who is boasting that he has earned lakhs in a span of six months or say one year. I am sure very few persons/teachers will be ready to share their PnL statements with you.
So, do take informed decision, before investing your hard earned money!
However, before taking a final decision on attending the seminar, I searched Google for reviews on the Academy, but surprisingly I did not find a single negative review about the Academy. The seminar was held on March 3 at a plush hotel in Navi Mumbai. Mind you they are charging money from the seminar under the head of venue charges (I had to pay Rs 607 (venue charges + convenience fee).
The good thing was breakfast was included in the charges and it started sharp at 9 am. The bad part was I was under the impression that Mr Avadhut Sathe himself will be conducting the seminar/eye opener workshop which did not happen. The responsibility of interacting with the gathered public was left to his juniors (called as monitors and mentees).
At the registration desk, the attendees were handed over a pamphlet which mentioned the fees of four modules (two-day workshops) which was Rs 76,700 (discounted fees if one opts to do four modules and is ready to pay fees one time). Else the fees for each module is Rs 21,240 (including GST). Now, the fee structure itself was a big dampner for me as I had earned much more from the stock market without employing services of any advisory or even attending any class (If you search on internet or YouTube, one can learn technical analysis necessary to decide on Buy or Sell).
As the workshop started, the speakers spoke on two topics -- How you can retire early at the age of 40, how can you spend more time with your family, how you can spend vacations abroad and painted an extremely rosy picture of life and secondly, despite retiring early how you can still earn in lakhs (The figure of earning lakhs was something which they were emphasizing again and again) and naturally so because the speakers had well mastered the way the human mind works (they were exploiting the greed part of human mind) and things which influence it.
Frankly, speaking there was hardly I could learn in the seminar. There was nothing new that was taught except promoting the Academy. As the workshop proceeded, some former students of the Academy shared their experiences with the gathering, among them one of them Mr Prasad Parulekar informed the crowd how he turned Rs 15,000 into Rs 1.5 lakh and then lost the entire amount of Rs 1.5 lakh and then how Mr Sathe helped him with his strategy to convert a paltry some of Rs 8,000 into Rs 6 lakh.
Another student, a former Assistant Commissioner of Police (ACP) with Mumbai Police Mr Bhimdev Rathod, said, How he quickly earned an amount which was much more than his retirement benefits he got after putting in 36-years of service and how one fine evening he earned an amount of Rs 4 lakh just by trading Natural Gas when he was relaxing in his farm house. There were many more testimonials, but every person spoke about earning more than a lakh every week enough to influence the greedy mind in any individual.
During the tea break, when I spoke to one of the mentees about the Mentorship Programme, I was informed that it was a one year programme and the fees for which run into a few lakhs (the person however refused to divulge further details saying he is not authorised to speak in this behalf). However, from sources, I have gathered information that Mentorship Programme costs around Rs 4 to Rs 5 Lakh and is a one year programme (I personally feel it is an exorbitant amount). For me, who is now currently, a practicing as an advocate after making a shift from journalism, the natural question that came up to my mind was why these guys don't just put up their profit-and-loss statement (PnL).
Anyways, you are revealing the amount that you have earned, so what is the problem in putting up the statement. Secondly, if you are uncomfortable with putting up the statement, just post the bar graph or pie chart which gives a glimpse of your trades/investments and provides a picture whether you are in profit or losses. Mere testimonials are not going to matter unless they are accompanied by documentary evidence. In legal parlance, we always say a statement does not become evidence unless it is cross examined.
So my first request to members of the Avadhut Sathe Trading Academy who are giving testimonials is first put up your PnL statements and then you have every right to boast of your achievements. Dear readers, after I attended the workshop of ASTA, Facebook is throwing up many ads related to stock market trading classes (Frankly, speaking I was not even aware that stock market training has become a million dollar business in literal sense). The purpose behind raising the issue through this blog was to share my experience and help you in making an informed decision. You need to do certain checks before enrolling for the course.
Firstly, check the PnL statement of the person who is boasting that he has earned lakhs in a span of six months or say one year. I am sure very few persons/teachers will be ready to share their PnL statements with you.
So, do take informed decision, before investing your hard earned money!
An enlightened piece on share trading. No one has become rich overnight by investing in shares. Share trading requires patience and knowledge about companies and sectors. Its a Test match and not twenty-twenty cricket. Because of wrong ideas about the share market a large number of retail investors stay away from it. So take informed decisions and stay away from those providing quick rich tips.
ReplyDeleteRight from first day ,I had doubt in my mind that , if everyone is making money out of share market , then who are the loosened....
ReplyDeleteIt's just an Eye wash..... It's mentality that when you get prize for lottery tickets then you share it society that , I got so and so amount through lottery , but what about the money's spend on lottery ticket throughout the life...
Rahul ji , Good that you have exposed the cheating
Very true, please be aware of such types of temptation s, instead of that better concentrate on what is better as per your own way of earning by hard work, after all share market is just like lottery , some may get profit, But mostly more people loose their own hard earned money, Better if interested go for IPO of better companies who pays dividend s wait for some period then you may sell if profitable, but do not get involved in such types of... ....
DeleteThe information you shared via your article is practical. I respect your work. Wish you all of the chance for all your blogging efforts.
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Thanks for the share Sir, was about to attend the seminar (Sept 8,so '19 in Hyderabad) after so much of hype created on FB which was tempting.
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ReplyDeleteDone loose your hard earned money with these ASTA or Landmark or any of these kind of sessions or seminars, at last you will give out your money to them. They will become rich by showing STAR's to you (not in real, just in dreams). You will be in same position as your are right now. Because you will be wasting your l year time and money. Instead put your same effort on you tube/ Google for learning things which u like, amount of knowledge you get is more than ASTA/Landmark sessions preaching also you save your money.
ReplyDeleteWell done Rahul, Good that you gave unbiased review.
ReplyDeleteThanks for making aware about this.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your experience. I think its "eye-opener" for everyone
ReplyDeleteWell, firstly being rightful to comment on your blog after losing a few lakhs of rupees in active trading for last 4 years, I believe its up to an individual's skill and perseverance. Its also important to analyse why you as a trader losing money. Most of them only continue to trade hoping that one fine day they will have crystal ball and they will makeup for all their losses in the past. If you look at ASTA just as an organisation and compare it with any other institution e.g. an Engineering College in the country, they also produce bad engineers. But you cannot blame the college for producing bad engineers. Therefore, you must put in your own effort and sharpen your skills if you want to achieve success in trading rather than blaming any institute/ organisation for charging money and then not being able to recover that.
ReplyDeletePls be of mindful abt such endorsements
DeleteThank you for sharing your review.
ReplyDeleteIf everyone rich from ASTA then our India would have been super rich country in the world.
ReplyDeleteOne thing is sure there is no free Lunch.
We have to study and get rich rather than spending to the classes in lacs, then amount would be your initial deposit and play. If your luck and hardwork will take you to the top. none of the rich industrialists compared with others.
Kindly don't get trap in this tricks.
All the very best and safe trading
Thanks Rahul for sharing this. Let's spread this blog on Facebook and save many from the trap.
ReplyDeleteActually it is to fool people who hve 1L plus money with them.Bcoz they know that this is very less money if kept in bank annually they get 7% not more then that... Which sum upto 1.7L.Nobody is interested in bank deposits now a days.As well they know that if they buy gold then they can buy only 2 tollas not more then that it will fetch good returns but there is risk if gold prices go down. Same is with stock investment.The final thing is to invest in real estate(no ways u won't get 3feet place in posh areas of mumbai)now a days in 1L u can't purchase anything even in villages.From hear the actual film starts.This so called market mentors r there everywr who can convert ur 1L into 2L every month might be more then that.And greedy players without learning markets or even knowing the basics they jump into markets and instead of making 2L from 2L they even loose their capital (1L) also. Then if u go an question this so called mentors. This mentors will reply saying you didn't trade according the way we made u learn.your entry is wrong hence u exited in loss, you r phsycological not following markets u r emotionally following markets bcoz of having greed in your mind. We r not responsible for the losses caused to u... Slowly slowly they stop answering ur calls and one day they will totally ignore you.... Now u will sit and calculate ur losses. Capital vanished, paid huge(according to capacity) brokerage and taxes and in the end heavy fees paid for such courses, seminars, webinars... 😏😏
ReplyDeleteThanks Ruhulji for your blog
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ReplyDeleteDear Yogesh,
DeleteI have not removed comments by any of the authors, including yours, I see in the system message that your comment has been removed by the author. However, I was able to read your comment when I logged in from mobile so I am responding. Firstly, I have shared my experience of attending the seminar, it is for the people to take a call and invest their money... Thank you for the input I always welcome all kinds of input.
Good job,
ReplyDeletedue to your details about seminar many people who r curious about ASTA will keep their curiosity in control. My opinion is learn Technical analysis(free courses r available on you tube ) and learn the market by actually inventing (the amount which you will lose by paying fees). Initially do with delivery. keep quantity very small, so you can have real learning by your own experience.
This is thr rIght approach with clear mind.
DeleteGood Catch
ReplyDeletevery well written Rahul. you have managed to keep it neutral and objective. I found a lot of raving reviews of ASTA on the net, making me feel they are too good to be true. Based on the narative and the way of advertising i too feel it may be more of a scam. However i may be proven wrong too. Thanks for the article!
ReplyDeleteThank you My friend for sharing your real review
ReplyDeleteI was searching from many days about his strategy because I always found on Facebook about good reviews on ASTA & which was ASTA only created that video so can't trust. And if his strategy is so good to enough to learn & earn then we can say same strategy can be taught by any other person. But I have never seen anyone shared his strategy and all.
No one talk about it. Because they only don't know what they taught and what they learn from that.
We can say This is your blog which is Eye Opener program ☺️☺️☺️.
I am a student in ASTA, After my smm, I invested 800 rupees and now my it is doubled in one week. if you want I can share my PNL
ReplyDeletePls share
DeleteHi, Thanks for your blog as even I wanted to join ASTA as there is lot of advertisement on youtube. As you have informed that lot of free material available on youtube for learning technical can you please share the details as I am fresher and want to learn.
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